020 – Guest: Kim Greene

0:25 Hello and welcome to how do you drew? This is a Drew Barrymore podcast brought to you by the drusy m.com and sponsored by our friends at positive medium. I'm a man and I'm Ashley and welcome to episode 20. Can you believe it? That's a landmark. I mean, it feels really good. It also feels funny that every episode we start with like, what number is this, and why is that cool? Because we love words, we love numbers. Just like Drew. We do the words and numbers. It's not a false thing. No, it's not. I'm not to sing that but episode 20 Fields big.

1:02 It's also our last episode of the Year. Yes. So that's very, very exciting. It's also an awesome episode. So we'll get into that in a few minutes. So it looks like we don't have any Upsy Daisy's because we were just perfect last week, we're perfect, I guess in a technical way. We do have a follow-up, a cosmic coincidence, if you will. Okay? Because Last episode we introduced a new segment called druidism of the week and then on Drew's show as I shared with you, she was talking totally unrelated and not even about like the funny things that she says.

1:38 But she made a little comment about someone paying attention to your little specialisms. She actually used the word is MM. Yep and true. We are always a paying attention here as us and we love that. So this and the next episode, that will intro the segment actually, In this episode, stay tuned also at some point we were made aware that not everyone knows that the You've Got Mail sound that we use for the segment. You've Got Mail Right Here. You've got mail from Iloilo online. Yeah. Well online AOL, which is America online for you oldies like us.

2:16 And they had a set of sound Clips, including You've Got Mail. Hey, groovy for welcome. Hey groovy. And then the goodbye was Cheers, Cheers. Yeah, they were really cute. I think it was a thing. They did with like a bunch of different celebrities recording different versions that you could then have as your computer sounds. Yes, amazingly we still have them. Like, I don't know how light either. So our You've got mail this week is a comment that we got on our Instagram, just short and sweet. You've got mail from at breakfast at Dominique's and it said this podcast idea is a Adorable, just found, you can't wait to listen breakfast at Dominick's.

2:58 If you've listened right again, and let us know how you liked it. Gonna give us a follow up. And if you aren't that person and you still want to tell us what you think, please do we'd like to include your mail, you can send it to our gmail, which is how do you drupada Gmail or you can leave us a comment or a diiemma set? How do you do pod on Instagram? And please do. Okay, so everything I'll just tell you now, what kind of combine, these two things, if we want to But what's new with through? The answer is nothing.

3:28 We're essentially deep in the holidays, so all her stuff is in rear ends. The Drew Barrymore show and the druze News podcast, reruns, nothing new. I've got nothing to share with you guys. The things that we talked about last week or still pretty current. So you can go back and listen to episode 19 if you want new stuff. But we are excited about this new segment and didn't want to abandon ship already. You know, those cool little isms that we do. We're pulling a goodie. The one that I referenced last time this is a historic turism and I feel confident.

4:04 This is her own little improvised line here. I do not think so too. Yeah, I think so. All right. You want to read it? Yeah, sure. It's from Saturday morning, cartoons, from 1995. And here it is. If you're ready, hit me with it, I like being a couch potato lounge, lizard loser, With sour cream. Perfect. That's a drizzling that show that's like yeah, that I think that exemplifies it pretty well so good now let's briefly introduce our weekly topic pretty exciting. So Ashley behind the scenes has been arranging this for a little bit.

4:43 You don't have to give me credit. I always want to give you credit. I'm not. Okay. And this week we're going to be talking to the makeup artist, Kim green. And if you've been a juvie for a long time, that you should Recognize that name because Kim's, served as Drew's personal makeup artist on several films. In fact, let's just list them real quick. So you know what we're talking about here. Sounds good. Let's start with best men. How about The Wedding Singer ever? Heard of Ever After? How about home fries?

5:11 How about her beautiful look is and Never Been Kissed. Charlie's Angels, Donnie, Darko Riding in Cars with Boys, Confessions of a dangerous mind. Charlie's Angels Full Throttle And duplex. So we're talking about a nice, big chunk of juice. Filmography has been alongside this lovely lady and we are stoked to get to pick her brain and see what kind of fun stories. She has to share with a totally. So if you're ready, we're going to get right into it. Let's do it. Kim green is a veteran Beauty, and effects makeup artist with many, many credits as department head for film and television.

5:55 She was Drew's makeup artist on 11 films from the mid 90s to the early 2000s. Were so excited for her to be joining us today to chat about her time on set with our girl, welcome to the podcast. Kim welcome, glad to be here. We're so this what you've been on our guest wish list from the very beginning? Yes, I've always been so. So supportive of me and honestly, I'm so grateful to you. You always pop in and give me credit when people don't know. It's like that's a pet peeve of our colors. I'm like, can took those pictures, aren't you?

6:34 Cutting her just, I love it so much, and it's so kind of you. I really appreciate it. And I know when you asked me to do this, I was like, no brainer. Absolutely. Thank you, lucky. Do you want to just Briefly just say how you kind of got started doing makeup in the entertainment industry. Yeah, I went to college at Indiana University and I majored in radio TV and film and I minored in theater and art. And when I got out of college, I ended up actually going from Chicago, where I grew up to Texas because my sister already lived there and started work.

7:18 Looking for a producer as just like a Helper and, you know, a PA kind of thing, and just worked my way in that way. Then I started working for some corporate, you know, Outlets doing really just PA Works still store. See, this is where I get. This is where I just dragged onto me. I want to hear how you ended up in the makeup department, so that's kind of like the trajectory that we're curious about. After I graduated from college and radio TV and film and I minored in theater and art, I really didn't know what to do with my life and I had was working on a show and I saw some people doing makeup and I was like, well hell I can paint.

8:05 I can dry can do that. So I asked them questions and one of them said what, you know, how in the world did you get into this? And they told me, so I was in Texas at the time and I flew to California. Leah. And I studied with a guy named Vincent, Kehoe who used to do, Richard Burton, Elizabeth Taylor, those kind of people and I studied with him for a while and then I took my little kit back to Texas and told everybody. Hey now I do makeup, you know, I'll be your PA and your makeup artist and I would do things like that.

8:42 And then I started doing models I went to some of the model agencies and I said I'll do models. Free for pictures. And that's kind of how I started to build, you know, my portfolio, which is the main thing back. Then you had to have a portfolio and you would carry it around. It was a book. There was no internet, or did you get anything? It was a physical book. So I would take that around and eventually JFK came to Texas and it was a big deal. So anybody who did make a bit all one over and Got on to JFK and my boyfriend at the time who is now my husband was also working on JFK, he was an apprentice on it and I was a day playing makeup artist doing background and we both moved to LA to follow her dream together.

9:37 I love that. Yeah, it's really cool. I also love that you just made it happen. You're just like this is what I'm going to do now. Exactly. And then the makeup artist Ron Berkeley, Who was the Had on JFK, I kept in touch with him and he ended up hiring me again here actually weren't on Michael Jackson's black or white. Oh wow, first week I was in Los Angeles. Wow, that's a pretty big one too. Doesn't like a small video. It was enormous and Nancy Reagan. Was there. Visiting Michael Jackson and know.

10:15 It was insane. I'm a little Thai girls. Those were my. Yeah. Those are the girls that I did. Oh, what a cool little tidbit. I love that. I know exactly what you're talking about. Oh my gosh, it's so madly in love with that and that was and you know, it's just like anything else when you just build your career from there and you know, and of course, I ultimately ended up meeting, you know, Drew I Department headed for a while on my own and you know was an assistant for a while, then I was a department head, then I got in the union and got my hours, got in the union and then I got hired By director named Tamara Davis and she was on a film called best men.

10:56 And she hired me and Drew Barrymore was the lead actress in it. And then I called my friend, Barbara Vera, who is a hairdresser, who I'd worked with other, you know, films and stuff before that. But I knew that Barbara had worked with Drew on camera then it didn't Cream with her right before then, it's screaming car. That's right, you're absolutely right. And that you guys are gonna have better memory than. Well, I'm really into scream, so, but one of the screams. Yeah, yeah. All things come around.

11:36 So then Barbara, I said, hey, if you're available come do this, this movie as the department had Drew's going to be here. So she said, yeah, they hired her. Well she didn't just say yes And then I remember the first time I was supposed to meet Drew was actually to do a test. Like I had the job but then I had to do a makeup test on her and I was I got to be honest, I was scared, I was intimidated and I was nervous although she had done a ton of stuff as a child had gone away, it was just kind of coming back.

12:12 I still knew her reputation. Her family, everything. Yes. So I remember going out and buy. Buying all new makeup and was all really clean and beautiful. And I got like high-end, you know, Chanel and I had everything just laid out beautifully. And I remember, she came in and she looked at the spread and was like, oh nice, I am prisoner roster, and then I did her makeup, and she was really happy. And then, I did the movie. Yeah. It's just that black hair. Like, were you surprised when you saw That she had the black hair because that was so new it for her at that time.

12:52 I don't remember to be honest, I don't know if you had black hair, when she walked in the door at that. Okay, pastor, if that was far enough in advance. Interesting. Yeah, I don't remember, Barb has better memory than me. She might remember what we love that you brought Barbara at because we always, like, think of you guys together on every set like, like a package deal. Oh, it's so cool. Well, we did on all of the, Drew movies. I haven't really been been working with her all that much. I mean, she kind of got hooked up with Scarlett Johansson and has gone down the whole Scarlet thing.

13:25 And I've kind of gone my own way, doing Department heading and everything else. So, unfortunately, I haven't worked with Barbara and years and years, but she's one of my best friends and will be forever. I love that. So cool. Did you feel like you and Drew had an immediate connection when she was like impressed by your work and everything was just like yeah we're going to this is going to be a thing. Well I think that Drew has a personality trait just that kind of hippie chick that she has that flower child that I do too.

13:59 Also on top of that is very strong type A personality so she's a hard worker. So am I? So there's a balance of like hippie chick and businesswoman that I think both through and I have where there's that connection. And I am a really hard worker and I take It really, really seriously. And I'm a good artist. And I think it's also a personality thing. So we did Bond pretty quickly, because we're so similar and also because Barbara was there. So she already felt very safe and comfortable with Barbara.

14:36 I was good friends with Barbara, so it's kind of like, oh, this is my good buddy and you're going to love her perfect. I love there's so much about that whole thing. That feels very Drew like, First of all, like having this person, charity knows Barbara, who like came back and then you kind of came like, kind of along with that as this little package. And then, so, you're right. Like I think Drew from what we've seen really likes to work with the same people and she like develops this like comfortable bubble around her like in a way that's like she's just very like she's got that power.

15:12 Of course she does. Once you were like, coming back and working with her over and over again, was it just like, of course. Course or were you surprised when it was like three projects in the next year and a half that you were you guys were on together? I don't think I was surprised. I was delighted. I think that You know, we, I think it's also timing. You know, she was coming at back into the business. She did Poison Ivy, and she did a few other things and then I don't think she had a personal makeup or hair person yet.

15:51 I think she was just, you know, whoever was the department had on the show, are the department heads and I don't think she really at that moment, had the power to have personals and then she started to get that kind of, you know, Ready to do that. And also Barber and I were I mean, we would willing to do her and department head. I get it. Okay, right. So then being one or the other, right? And when you look at the credits Barbara and I were the department head makeup and hair whenever we could unless it was say in New York or in Canada where we had to be personals or if it was a situation where they already had their Heads, but Drew would say, I got to have my girls and then we would go in as personals but I always wanted the career of a department head.

16:43 So I wasn't really interested in being a personal show. After show, after show I wanted to build the credentials of a department head. Yeah. Okay. And I would imagine that a lot of these being flower films, kind of related projects, probably helped her be able to give you that or like was she making those decisions because they Her Productions, like she can say, well, Kim's going to do that because I'm I'm running the show and I want Kim to be the head. Yeah, I think Drew, and Nancy devonian had all the power.

17:17 Obviously, in those on those films that we did that were under their Banner, right? Yeah, for sure. So cool. Yeah, I guess you can we jump to ever after because we're kind of in that era of her career and we've seen and read about Your process creating the, you know, famous ball scene, where she comes, and that, it sort of started originally looking like a literal butterfly on her face, right? And so what can you kind of tell us about that process? Well, Barbara Vera myself Gwen Stroman, who was Drew's, assistant at the time?

17:54 Chris Miller wasn't there yet. Yeah, freak we all love Chris, and I loved gwennie. Andrew all went to France together and we stayed in. I can only call it almost like a mini castle is the best way to put it. Cool. It was like it must have been made in the 1200s or something or build because it was insane and there was a giant kitchen with a 12 to 14 seats table, and we pretty much lived at that table, the four of us. And there was a whole rest of the house, but we loved the kitchen and we would make meals.

18:39 We would all switch off who's going to cook dinner that night after work and it was so much fun. We had to cook for a minute, but then we're like, we can do it. We did it ourselves and we were in this little town called SAR law. And we had more fun, my life experience on that. Film was one of the best life experiences really top 10 life experiences that I've had. Wow. And you know, we had such a good time. We listen to music, we brought CDs of that. I'll tell you how long ago was, yeah, we brought our own CDs with us and we have listened to music and make dinner, and hang out and we would drive around on the weekends.

19:23 I mean, on the wrong side of, you know, you had drive on the other side of the wall, that was always interesting. We actually went canoeing on the door Don. And I had Drew in my canoe, and as I was paddling, she'll kill me for telling you this, but I don't care as I was paddling, Drew was reading Lord Byron. Poetry, as I was kidding, paddling away. She at least reading it aloud to entertain you reading it aloud because that's just, is that just so Drew? Yeah, we didn't go atry. Having the loveliest of times on the canoe is, I'm paddling away.

20:01 I wish I had like, we had an illustrator by as part of our team because we were on there with and to that we were friends with on the show as well. Gee, Al and I think it was Richard anyway, but I was in the canoe with through as she read. Poetry, what a memory come on, help me paddle. She's like, I'm busy. Paddle at some points but I really miss those days a lot.

21:00 Details. Well, so the Ever After Breathe makeup? I guess you would call the Breathe makeup, or the the ball makeup when we when I read the script, I guess I missed this very important note but I will get to that. So, Drew said that for the ball, she wanted have a butterfly makeup because, you know, Drew loves butterflies. And she had this gorgeous gown but they were still building the Gown. It wasn't ready. Yet. So I went she was we were living together so it was really easy. I had my model right there and I would practice doing these butterflies on her face and I would do one color on one side and one on the other with all this veining and all this beautiful butterfly makeup and we put it, I kind of remember, we put it on film, you took pictures but we also put it on film at one point and the producer said we loved it but here's the problem, Leonardo DaVinci.

21:58 Is painting her face. And I was like, oh, I forgot that that was a little moment. I forgot. And they said, he painted bird's wings. Not butterfly wings. You can't do a butterfly. Yeah, so back to the drawing board and I also want to say that I'm, you know, and I always say this, I'm a good makeup artist but I'm not Leonardo DaVinci. That's a lot of pressure, you kind of recreate his work. Yeah thanks. Yeah, I was terrified. So I had to come up with something and they also said something else that when I did the butterfly, it kind of Matt it was kind of Master phase and the last thing they want is to hide your Barrymore's face, right?

22:44 So it had to be a mask that looked like wings but didn't cover her face. That was beautiful. So, it was kind of like, okay, what am I going to do now? Plus, just a little side note. In that period, which was the 1600s, right? So for the 1516 Century everything, the makeup was a makeup. You didn't buy clear. All right? I mean, it was crushed raspberries or crushed, you know, or paint or, you know, any of those other things and we did do. So, I had to come up with ideas that looked like nature it.

23:21 Couldn't look like makeup, it had to look like it came from nature. And when we were shooting the scene with Leonardo DaVinci, I don't know if it made the movie, but there was a whole scene with him and he had all this stuff in front of him, and there was like, crushed glittery stuff. And I will, oh, I can do glitter because he's using gems. He's crushing gems into his paint to make it sparkly or whatever. Oh, what a cool detail. Yeah. So that was really important to me and I was just kind of looking at the table of all the different things that they would have been using.

23:56 Did a lot of research and remember there was no internet Library the library. We love libraries. Oh, I miss going to the stacks and just have reading books and looking and studying the different periods and things like that. I really love doing that. And somebody, you know, and I did learn a lot, you know, I learned a lot about makeup and what they would do with that time period, you know, the very pale makeup, you know, had had poisons in it, you know. Letting yeah. And that was just really You know, killed people and you know, younger age.

24:29 Least they look pretty not just would then get the makeup would cause sores and things, so then they would pie a moron and then the little moles, the little dark moles that they would put on people stars and like malls and stuff. That was to hide wounds or get. Ready syphilis. Oh my God. This is the kind of stuff I used to learn going to the library's. Yeah. But anyway, back to Drew. So I started a little bit. I looked at you know, once I figured that all out, I was like, okay, so I have to draw like Leonardo DaVinci, good luck on.

25:09 So that's when I started thinking about, you know, the little crystals because I saw that, okay, that's something he could have used the colors, the the shimmery sort of bronzes, and Silvers, and Golds. And I will also say when When you see the movie, A lot of that is gone from the lighting. But when you saw her in real life and when I, when I put it on her, it is much more obvious. And you can see that it swings and where the crystals are obviously are where the wings would have been at the top, but it goes all over her face in the, in sort of the shape of wings, but very sheer and very pretty.

25:50 So that was kind of the story of It didn't end up being a butterfly. Got it. I left that though it's such a beautiful look like I can I can say definitively that I probably like fell more in love with Drew just seeing like that scene. I mean it's just such a like gorgeous. I mean first of all it's like this climax of the film to like it's you know, but it's just an amazing look. So I love hearing that background of like getting there. Yeah, it was a challenge and it was a it was a hill to climb but Honestly I get more compliments about that makeup than almost anything else I've ever done true.

26:32 Wow, it is Iconic. We use that word a lot on our podcast but there is that one is thank you so much. I want to get to it. That's wonderful and and like talking about like research and libraries. That's why we love our a Latino. Yeah, we're like yes. So another iconic look. The next one I want to talk about is Never Been Kissed. So how fun was Is it grossie Drew up for the urban kids. I love Josie grossy so much and Never Been Kissed. It's such a good film. So, let me I'm going to back up for a second and talk about the character Arc of Josie in the film.

27:10 We all remember Josie grossy because it's such a, you know, specific look the costume Mona May and the hair Barbara Vera in the makeup me but the braces which was Gary are Are made those braces, love Gary. And we all think about that, but really, those were just flashbacks and not that many of them, right? Short little segments really, right? So Josie her character starts out as a child, is Josie grossy and his kind of nerdy unpopular girl. And she grows up to be kind of a nerdy unpopular woman.

27:50 And she is a reporter, right? I mean, she's a reporter. A writer. And she's very mousey and she had Brown mousy hair and kind of mousy makeup, very Bland. And then she goes to high school. And so all of these designs is whole Arc had to be created before we started shooting. So we read the scripts Mona May the costume designer Barbara Vera hair Department had in myself sat down and we talked about this Arc of Drew's care. Dr. Josie that was going to happen in the show and first of all, it's not just her.

28:32 It's everybody else all the other characters. So we're doing a comparison the whole way around of Drew's character compared to the other characters and I was department head. So I was designing the whole thing I had other people obviously working on it. Okay, I'll do the whole thing myself. But the job the job of the department head is to design create the design. So we had to find out, first of all, talk about reference, what was going on and what was in 1996? I want to say 97, what was trending at that moment and we had to really look at that what was trending.

29:10 And then a little heightened version of what was trending and make Josie the opposite of that. So the other three girls, the popular girls they were what was trending and then we had Josie but was really English, she starts out as the ugly duckling, and when she goes to the high school, the first time, we see her in that white, number of white feather, and that was her interpretation. Josie's interpretation of what was going on, what was trending. But she was totally wrong, because she couldn't see style like she wasn't, she didn't have the taste to know what they were really doing.

29:54 So, We had to come up with what are we going to do for that? So we did some tests. We did a few things and Barbara ended up just doing too much girl too poofy to trigger on the hair and I tried a few things. There was one thing I tried that we did not end up doing was there was I don't know if you guys remember this but there was a time before there was inclusive makeup colors, where everything was pink. Yeah, there were like seven colors and they were all pink and they were horrible. And a lot of girls in the early 90s would wear or the, you know, late 80s that I remembered would wear this sort of pink mask on their face and they wouldn't do their necks.

30:43 So it was like and it was super thick because nobody showed the freckles back then. No, no, you didn't have freckles, they didn't exist. So you would wear this thick thick makeup and then a lot of girls didn't put it onto there. Neck. So I thought that was really funny and I said you want to do it, I want to do it so bad, it's really funny and she was like, I don't think people are going to get it. Really? Right? So we didn't end up doing that. But what I did was I did make her makeup, a little Pinker than it should have been.

31:12 And I didn't do a lot of eye makeup as I recall, but we did this like pale pink lip was in but instead of making like a good pal, I did sort of this pink that kind of was I don't know, opalescent or something. It was just very frosted, right? Like the time. I losted I think of the lips are, like, almost like it. Skin color, the color Frosty, ugly, terrible. And because she had no idea, she thought it was cool Josie. Ty was cool, but wasn't cool. So she was like a style disaster and then as she gets into the community, she becomes sort of friends with the popular.

31:54 Girls, she starts to learn how to do her hair and makeup, and how to dress. And so I did too much makeup and wrong and then I kind of did a palate cleanser where she wore nothing like almost no makeup at all. And then from that palette cleanser them I started adding and I think Barbara just did kind of straight hair if I remember right? Yeah. And then we started to add cool, you know, like what was Modern? What was that? That moment remember three different now. Alba, I was doing, you know, these crystals and all these designs on her, you know, because that was cool and hip and East Indian.

32:37 And it really was. Yeah. So I did bindis on her and I got to really play with Jessica Alba's character. That was really fun, but it had to be cool and hip, which is now back again, you know, all these crystals and all that went away. And I was, but I did that on her. And By contrast. So again, there they all were what was happening at the moment in trending and drusy opposite, but by the end of it, end of the movie, she's wearing spice lip liner which was really big at the time as you recall from Mac and she was wearing, you know, beautiful soft makeup and her hair was really pretty with just a soft wave and her costumes.

33:17 I believe. Mona may had that dress, that pink dress at the ball park made for her specifically custom made. For her so and then she was the beautiful Josie, you know. So many fun different looks like you're right. It really is like an evolution. I love hearing this and part of the reason I love hearing it is because it's so well done. Yeah that you don't I didn't think of all that trajectory like I think of certain iconic scenes but yeah, I like of course you know we know in the film she has this.

33:50 She's growing up while she's playing this teenager. Absolutely, it's really cool to think like your job was to make us not notice that that's happening kind of, you know, like to make it not so obvious that like up. Now, they're trying to make her look this way. Like she just does it fits with the character so well, so that's it was beautiful job. Like thank you what an amazing compliment. Truly. Thank you.

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36:04 For me, don't hold me to remembering the differences because I dare not the only one. And by the way, everybody has weird encyclopedic. Memories of it. Like he do exactly. Well again what I loved about working with Drew and Nancy chavonne and in flower films was they always did days of prep and makeup tests. So we would create all of these looks in three to four days in in makeup test. Wow it Never fly by the seat of your pants and figure it out on the day. It was always worked out and you know, we had a lot of looks, we had lady insane which was a major, you know, David Bowie rip off and you know we had them when I turned you into a man such a figure it out and the the real sexy one where she's in the car with her baby blue eyeshadow and her.

37:09 Feather back for a hair and her sexy outfit, you know, at the racetrack. Yeah? Yeah, yeah. And we did an East Indian which, you know, I don't know if you can really do that these days anymore but we turned her to sort of into an East Indian woman, a biker chick a Swedish. Girl, remember that love that one, we have so many different looks The Pussycat Dolls. And again, that was like, the star, Remember, put us Swarovski crystals in the shape of she was really into wearing stars on her face with that time with.

37:45 Did that come from you? Or honestly, I don't know. I'm pretty happy with the star for that for that. Look, whether she was inspired by that or not. I don't know. I think so. I definitely wanted it too. By the way, I always doing that for a while, if that's fine. And actually I just realized just going back to the Ever After breathe. Look, I like having shimmers all over our faces, I feel like that was something that I would have done like happily ever after. Yeah. So just like, thinking of how it carried over, not into, like, Drew's makeup looks, but like droopys right.

38:21 Exactly. It was real, it was a real thing. I think that a lot of, I mean, if you look at Euphoria now, you know, this makeup artist just came up with some, you know, great ideas, not that we did weren't doing crystals and things back in the day, but like she kind of brought it back. And people have copied it, like little girls are wearing, you know, this Shimmer and the Sparkles and the crystals again. And I think that we can we do influence the public. Definitely. Absolutely. And I'm always for glitter.

38:56 So I like it and that's what's fun about it if you if that happens to happen, it's pretty great. You know, it's fun but it doesn't come. You know? It's not like you think. Oh I'm going to inspire people. You know, you're just like what? I'm a And television makeup artist. So I'm thinking, what's correct for the character? Yeah, I'm good. Just happens to get popular because I did such a good job.

39:20 One thing that's so fun about Drew's looks especially like around the time that you were working with her is that she would kind of change her like entire hair color and her style. Was that? That was that more challenging that she changed her. Look so much from Project to project or was that kind of a welcome like oh great. I get to Something totally different with Drew. I really loved that. She wanted to change her look for everything because she was always character-driven, like, I'm character-driven.

39:51 So why would the character always have, you know, blond long hair for every single movie, or television show doesn't make any sense and I loved that. She wanted to be different people and different characters and I was inspired by that. And through also, So, like to try new makeups, you know, it's not a surprise. She ended up having a Makeup Company because she was always asking me to try New Foundations, new makeups, you know, different brushes. Like I was always trying new things and I loved that.

40:28 That's so cool. I didn't even really make the connection that we should like to ask you about, you know what, she's showing a lot of interest in makeup already at that time. It makes perfect sense, of course. Well yeah. There was also Jillian Dempsey. Mhm and Drew were really good friends. I would say best friends, and Jillian at that time was doing a lot of her, print stuff, I did some of them. I did the things that had to do with my character, my characters, but Julian was doing a lot of her print stuff at the time, and I was doing her films and Jillian, had a makeup line and I remember Gillian Welch, Drew was involved in it for a while and I remember the three of us at my House at my table coming up with you know color ideas and make em, you know different things like that.

41:15 It was really fun. I got no credit for that but I was there helping how we know and we we followed that it was called Deluxe Beauty. I'll just throw it in there. Oh yeah, I love Deluxe Beauty. And uh my love Jillian. She was great. And and it was because you know why not get another makeup artist advice, why not? I didn't definitely. So your sell 400 years later. So if they were doing like, Personal photos, like, for the poster for a movie, you would come and do that, but if it was like a magazine shoot, usually it was Gillian.

41:46 Well, some of the Magazine's I did, there was a few not as many as I would have lied to because they were great money and really fun to do. But I mean I don't have it in front of me but there was probably at least ten that I did. But Jillian did cool Lion Share of the sort of of that part of Drew's life. That's fun to learn. Yeah, would you say that there was like One ultimate favorite. If you had to pick one look that you did for her over all those years. I know that's asking a big thing. But like what's the first thing you think of is like, the one you're the most proud of.

42:21 I will say that it's the Just Breathe. Yeah, ever after makeup. Yeah, I'm very proud of that makeup. And and like I said, it was, it was hard to get to it. So sometimes those are the most Satisfying. Yeah, the most satisfied I was going to say reward. Yeah. Morning. I couldn't think of the exact word but those are both good words. We got it. We love research in the payoff of that. So people are, you know, still to this day some you know, still wearing that makeup for Halloween, you know, if it happens to come on television, which it hasn't in a while.

42:59 But if it happens to come on TV, you know, then it researches again, you know, I love that. Then I start hearing about it again, you know, so, so fun. Yeah, it's no problem. Yeah, too many. Let's not count. I always get like a few years off, but a long time, I mean both Ashley and I basically became fans like the year that that came. Yeah. Like it became big fan so that that and like Never Been Kissed. Those are all like really early on in our like, Teenage obsessive, you know, No time. So it's like it almost feels fresh in our minds.

43:39 Like sometimes I'm like 2005 that was recent, right? Yeah. All the time we think that way weird. It is true at all you know as I'm thinking about these films, it feels like yesterday. I mean I'm on that could do you know I think we are on there too. Okay so this next thing is kind of Speed round. But you can speak as much or as little as you want about these things. So if you have a quick story, whatever you have, so I'm just going to list of film and anything fun that you remember. So, what do you remember about home fries?

44:18 I remember the smell of Drew's fake pregnancy belly. We actually have a magazine article that references. The smell is smelling. Like pancake batter. Is that true? It was like, if pancake batter Better was slightly off. And had not been refrigerated for about two weeks. Lovely, I can almost smell it now. It was so awful. I hated the way that belly smelled and it was it was a really strong memory. I love that somebody else has talked about that in a magazine. Yeah, it was real like Drew said, it's not like pancake batter, isn't that true?

45:03 Just twisting it to the positive. Yeah but really it was like, rotting pancake batter Off pancake batter. Yeah, together. Okay, how about quick anything about The Wedding Singer? I just remember having a lot of fun. I remember, Adam Sandler, and the boys all playing hoops at lunchtime. They put up a basketball, net, and a court, and outside of the trailers and they would play basketball. And I also remember Adam inviting us into his trailer, a Bunch of us, like 10, 15 people, and he would play his guitar for us and sing.

45:46 Wow! And don't you love the most of these are not really on the set. I just remember the K. We love these one experiences and I really loved Drew's character in that, I thought she looked really darling. And I know that she had a really good time on that movie. Yeah, it comes through that movies. Just like pure joy. It's wonderful. I really enjoyed it too. Riding in Cars with Always, when you got for Riding in Cars with Boys cold first. Stop freezing cold. I remember we would be riding in the follow, van following the car driving and we never broke for lunch because there wasn't enough daylight, it was dead of winter in New York, there wasn't enough daylight and so catering set up all of the trough sicom troughs.

46:38 You know, those big metal things with food in them, on the Side of the road and we drive by it and like, just kind of like longingly. Look at the food out there, and then we come around again. And I remember one time they stopped because the DP was like, stop the van. And so, we stopped the van. This is a true story. He got out. He lifted the top of the, you know, the food trough and he took a giant spoon. Stuck it in the food and ate it, and then through it. Down. Jump back into the van and off.

47:13 We went again. That's what I remember and Penny Marshall. I remember Penny Marshall was so funny and you know, intense, she was intense and she was he Intense. I did really enjoy her. She was funny but you know, she had her moments, but I thought Drew did a beautiful beautiful acting job on that film. I was really proud of her. She had to incorporate a lot of Ages. Yeah. And, you know, I had to make her look 17 and all the way up to 37. So that was a bit of a challenge on a girl who looks young.

47:55 You know, she always has like she was young now, she's Yeah, he's always looks young for her age so it was really just that was a lot of challenge in itself but ultimately I just did this very 90. I think it was 1991. We were at that we not only shot at but what I was supposed to be portraying, think it was and I just did this really intense dark eyeshadow and matte red lip just kind of went straight period. And then I added a little bit of Aging around her eyes. Some capillaries and things like that, a little bit of Aging, but it actually worked really well.

48:33 And I remember reading an article, somebody was like oh, thank God for light aging, you know, like we try to she was 37, not 57 years that it looked great. Yeah, like it's a that whole thumb. Again, it's one of those things, like, I think it was definitely big. Drew's, biggest acting challenge at that point or like by then I think there have been some other big acting challenges since. But again, that make up aided really well in, when you kind of Up two different ages. So I think you did a beautiful job.

49:00 Thank you. And I think Barbara did too. I think she really again, what was a lot of conversations and a lot of practice saying, you know, to make Drew go from 17 to 37 and all the ages in between and, you know, we were there to support her period. I mean, it was a big deal to her that film. Yep. Can I ask one more thing about kind of how you would collaborate with Barbara really quick? So when you would do the planning what types of Like what types of notes would you take? Like would it just be were thinking this and this for this kind of scene and like hear some ideas of looks like just jotting down ideas or would you ever like collect images of outfits or how would it kind?

49:44 I'm just curious like what kind of like paper there would have been no? Like as an archivist? I'm fascinating. I get what you're asking. Um I wish I had it here but I had a face chard. That was Drawn that looked like Drew's face, okay? And which I still sometimes used today to do phase charts and I did you thinning on it and I did aging on it and I would draw and color with colored pencils basically what that the transitions would be cool and Barbara would pull tear sheets, you know, from magazines.

50:23 Or I would pull tear sheets like because it's also different like yeah. For every show you're like where How am I going to get this idea across to Drew to diffusers to the director? Because we don't live in a vacuum. We don't get to just do whatever we want. We have to present this stuff and has to get approved and what not more. So now even than back then. So you would have to, in order to express the idea, you have to draw pull tear sheets, get other videos, other, you know, other movies, just whatever you could do to get the idea across.

50:59 That's so cool. Look, if you ever come across any planning documents, that would be really cool for us to see if you'd be willing to share very into like tangible document. I'm just picturing what that might have looked like I've seen a lot of illustrations of costumes before but like, for makeup it seems, I can't picture. But that's so cool. You would like try. Maybe I'll actually post something to and you can share it, right. That's not a bad idea to show when I Actually teach Department heading.

51:29 I have these seminars there, like two days seminars and I have those in my slide show so it won't be too hard for me. Cool, a couple things I think I might have a couple of Drew's so I'll show how happiness we'd love to see any of that. We're nerds of like, every part of the process. That's so cool. But yeah, I mean Drew is by the way, if I didn't mention this true isn't really involved in all of this design as well. You know, we were expected to come up with ideas, of course, Yes, and then she would sit down either we go to her house with sit in our kitchen and we'd sit outside and we would go through everything and she had obviously had opinions.

52:07 And so we would adjust or we would just go yeah, thumbs up, or we would make adjustments and then we'd come back. So it was me Barbara and Drew for sure, figuring everything out 11, that's not surprising at all to hear it was so collaborative with her, but it's fun to just like get that confirmation total. Let's do is so stylish. So understands character and she understands her character better than any of us. She studied it longer. She's you know, she just brings a lot to it, obviously, so cool.

52:41 I'm last little speed project. Question. Anything from Confessions of a dangerous mind. The first time I saw George Clooney. I acted like a 12 year old little girl. I was giggling and stupid and Drew kept elbowing me to bring me to calm down because I was so excited to meet George Clooney. Understandable, other than that, I do remember was 1960s and I brought a whole, but I drew a bunch of different 1960s. Makeups different. Was it the 60s, right? Yeah, I think it goes. Those 60s 70s. Very beginning 80s.

53:24 It definitely goes to B or C 70's 80's. That's why I'm questioning it. Yeah, so II brought a bunch of different makeup styles and we went through them and I showed her because we didn't have time in advance to sit down and do any tests. We just kind of went to Canada, right? And so I had drawn a bunch of stuff to show her. So that on the day, we could just do it. And she would just, I would like do like a b or c and she's pissed. You know what? Now that we're thinking about it, that's another lie.

53:52 Really well done subtle aging. I feel like like you can tell she's supposed to be older at the end but it's not like in-your-face ridiculous. Like it's just like okay she looks different than she did earlier in the film. Yeah, exactly. I mean I truly think that when I do I've done Aging for other films to, in fact, I just did aging on one character in TV show that I finished last year and I just took some Bluebird and I did some light aging around the eyes and a little bit on the forehead. Forehead and whatever.

54:23 And it was, you wouldn't, you could look at him in real life and not really, you'd be like you, how old are you? You know what I mean? People didn't realize it was makeup. They just thought he was an older guy and it what you take it off and he 10 years younger like that, you know. So cool such a talent. I don't think you have to unless somebody's now getting to their 50s or 60s where you start getting dimensional age changes like the nasolabial fold starts to become more. Obvious eye bags, the lids get heavy when we get to that point, then you're going to start putting pieces on, okay?

55:00 Okay. So this last thing is kind of a funny one and we didn't put it in our thing but actually has a visual aid so she's going to share it and then we're going to ask you a question of it. It's just kind of a silly thing away. It's just one of those things that as I drew bees we always noticed this mirror, the smiley face mirror. If you can see God is that yours or is that At Drew's? That's 100% mine. Yay. Do you still have it? I do have it somewhere. There's no way I threw it out. It was cracked, it was betta but I always liked the idea that no matter what when she was holding that mirror, I'd have a smile and it's just funny that she was so frequently photographed with it.

55:45 Like it is just so fun and it was just one of those things I just remember like on our old Message Board somebody being like Oh my gosh, it's that All right, you know, I absolutely love that smiley face icon. I always have since I was a kid and when I saw that mirror, I'm like, oh, that's perfect for Drew. Oh, it's so cute. Yeah, and it is really cute. Like for us to see like a candid photo or Paparazzi photo. And like she's, there's that mirror again. That was my prayer. We just had to get the truth on that one.

56:17 We had to know.

56:20 I forgot about that. Well man, thank you Kim. This is really cool. I mean it feels like we've kind of known you but this is really our first meeting and it's been so fun to chat with you and hear your stories and get your beautiful energy. It's just been a blast. Thanks, I love you guys. You're doing great things and and keep it up. I mean it's pretty special to have the you doing all these things for her. Thank ya, we do it a lot for Because it's fun but absolutely I know you're doing it for you but I hope she's appreciative because it's really special where you do.

57:01 She's always shown us. A tremendous amount of appreciation and gratitude them. Yeah. We feel like yeah, I feel ya eggs. I was gonna say we feel like yeah, she's a sweetheart. She's just good one. I know it's this thing where anytime somebody we've talked to talks about the their experience with her, there's kind of the same kind of feeling like Like she's a pro. She's incredibly kind. She comes prepared. She gives the attention to the people. She needs to get the attention to, like all of this. I love.

57:30 Like, I love that. She collaborated with you guys on the looks like, oh, you didn't have to do that, right? She could just be like, you guys pick? I'll come in. It's true, but that is not true. Yeah, that's amazing. So we love having this personal insight for me. Oh, we're so grateful that you took your time to contribute to our podcast. I was so fun. It's because they're awesome. All right. You guys rock Thanksgiving. Thank you Kim. Are you guys all right? Bye. So that was oh my gosh. So cool. Why is every person we interviewed so delightful?

58:12 I mean because there's a reason that they've worked with drool and you know, like, I think that's what it is. I'm just gonna tribute. So like Drew picking amazing people finding and picking. Amazing. Cool people attract, cool people. Yeah, I'm if you enjoyed everything that we got to share with you from Kim, you should definitely go follow her on Instagram, her screen Name is at Kim green and that's greentree4 attack on that extra e at the end and she shares all kinds of fun stuff and she said she's going to put some good Drew content up soon so watch for that.

58:47 Yeah, I loved I think the canoe story is become my favorite thing.

58:56 Thanks again, Kim for joining us for the podcast, you're our fourth official guest. If you include Jelena, we've had five guests in our first 20 episodes. That's pretty good. Pretty amazing and Kim is. That's no slouch. She's like a that's a real good get. She's been on our guest wish list since the very beginning we knew we wanted to talk to her and we were right. She she brought it. Yep and she's always been really cool with us on social media and connected with with us. They are. So we knew that it was possible and she was like, so enthusiastic and I met an amazing.

59:30 And we're so lucky so grateful. Yeah, we do. Did want to mention that we're going to take next week off for the holidays and just to give herself a little break before we jump in to some new topic. We haven't even figured out what's coming next. The options if you have a suggestion, let us know if there's something you want to hear us. Talk about a certain movie a certain magazine. We are totally open to your feedback guys. We want to hear from you, you know. We want to make sure our fans are happy.

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